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I invite learned and experienced members to share their knowledge and discuss the following:

1) Which rifle(s) would you advise a beginner-level and amateur-level respectively, for competition shooting, and Why ?

2) Of the ones you prefer, which ones are available or can be arranged in Pakistan and an idea, if possible of their price ?


Thanks in advance :handgestures-salute:


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Here is a sniper rifle that might be cheaper than those 1.5 Million or 2 Million ones :)

CZ 750 S1 M1

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The CZ 750 S1 M1 is basic heavy version designed for solving all sniper missions primarily in unenclosed ground. In order to facilitate a more accurate fire the weapon comes with bipod and mirage deflector preventing any mirage above shot heated barrel.

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Calibre .308 Win.
Magazine Capacity 10
Overall length 1220 mm
Barrel length 660 mm
Height 175 mm
Width 77 mm
Weight 5,8 kg
Barrel broached


Source: CZ Website
http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/86-armed- ... S1_M1.aspx



Wow, could this one be imported like the CZ handguns. What a rifle :twisted:

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Two Questions:

Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Here is a sniper rifle that might be cheaper than those 1.5 Million or 2 Million ones :)

How much cheaper are we talking about??

Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Wow, could this one be imported like the CZ handguns. What a rifle :twisted:

Could it ??

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MR, I wish I knew the answer to these questions :shifty:

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This was the sniper rifle with which an Army shooter scored 198/200 in the Sniper Rifle Match in 2010 and won the gold :)


RPA Range Master .338 Lapua Magnum

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Rangemaster .338 Technical Specifications
Calibre .338 Lapua Magnum (8.58x71mm)
Barrel length 28" (711mm)
Twist rate 1 turn in 10" (1 turn in 254mm)
Overall length 51.5" (1310mm)
Length folded including muzzle brake 41.5" (1050mm)
Weight including bipod and leupold riflescope 18.9 lb (8.6 Kg)
Magazine capacity 5
Fitment for night vision Yes
Mount for torch/laser designator Yes
Threaded for muzzle brake or sound moderator Yes
Muzzle brake included Yes
Sling attachment points Yes
Supplied with hard waterproof transit case Yes
Drag bag Optional


Accessories Available

* Drag bag
* Anti reflection device
* Sound moderator
* Foam cheek protector
* Sling
* Mirage band
* Cleaning rod and guide
* Extra magazines




Source: RPA Website
http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/rangemaster338.asp

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This is my dream competition rifle :twisted: :twisted: :angry-banghead:

RPA Elite Target Rifle

Probably the most accurate rifle you will ever own. A high performance Target Rifle manufactured from RPA's world beating products, designed for professionals and enthusiasts alike. At the heart of the RPA Elite Target Rifle is a RPA Quadlock® action, renowned for accuracy, durability and safety. Available in a true left hand configuration (custom option).

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Specifications

Calibre 308 Winchester
Barrel length 30" (762mm)
Twist rate 1 turn in 13" (1 turn in 330mm)
Overall length 49" (1242mm)
Weight 13.5 lb (6.1 Kg)
Scope mount base Option
Sling attachment points Forend rail

Accessories Available

* Magnetic removable cheek piece
* Forend rail
* 3 way butt plate
* RPA Trakker ladder fore sight
* RPA Trakker ladder rear sight
* RPA Trakker fixed height fore sight
* Picatinny scope rail






Source: RPA Website
http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/elite ... _rifle.asp

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Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
This is my dream competition rifle :twisted: :twisted: :angry-banghead:


KBW Sir, jahan itni dreams puri hoi hain, this dream will also come true..... all in due time. If possible get one in similar print. It matches one of the latest Gul Ahmed fall collection prints. For once (that too, maybe), the better half will like one of your guns. 8-)

I'll try to search some online shooting and review videos of these beauties and post them here.


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Shooter wrote:
Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
This is my dream competition rifle :twisted: :twisted: :angry-banghead:


KBW Sir, jahan itni dreams puri hoi hain, this dream will also come true..... all in due time. If possible get one in similar print. It matches one of the latest Gul Ahmed fall collection prints. For once (that too, maybe), the better half will like one of your guns. 8-)

I'll try to search some online shooting and review videos of these beauties and post them here.

Gulahmed, Al-Karam, Portia thats all PB stuff sir. :shock: I was of the opinion mentioning PB stuff on TGF was prohibited.

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For beginners i must tell some thing about some basic things of competion rifles & availability in Pakistan of these rifles.

All Competition Rifles are bull Barrels & u will not find Bull barrels Rifles in Pakistan Only Pakistan Army ,Navy & very few private peoples has these Bull barrels rifles Secondly there are many Options in Calibers but the main Caliber used in Competition in Cal.308.
I have won bronze in National Championship 300 meters with .303 British.So i suggest all beginners shooters try to get bull barrel rifle for competitions.


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@Perazzi
Is 303 a bull barrel rifle? Please advise some other brand also. Thanks

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perazzi wrote:
For beginners i must tell some thing about some basic things of competion rifles & availability in Pakistan of these rifles.
All Competition Rifles are bull Barrels & u will not find Bull barrels Rifles in Pakistan Only Pakistan Army ,Navy & very few private peoples has these Bull barrels rifles Secondly there are many Options in Calibers but the main Caliber used in Competition in Cal.308.
I have won bronze in National Championship 300 meters with .303 British.So i suggest all beginners shooters try to get bull barrel rifle for competitions.

Perazzi brother, welcome to TGF. It is great to have a shooter of your caliber amongst us. I am sure your contribution in this section would be worthy of your stature and we all would learn a lot from you. :)

In what all firing disciplines do you participate, other than 300 M rifle? We would request you to give shooting tips to the members, based on your practical experience. Off course, posting of target pics shot by you would make it easier for us to understand the modalities of shooting.

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All shooters are 24/7 welcome for any kind of information regarding Calibers Rifles & availblty of rifles in Pak market..First of all ,All beginners shooters must knw the safty & Gun handling.I am partcipating since 2005 in Skeet, Trap & rifle shooting.


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perazzi wrote:
All shooters are 24/7 welcome for any kind of information regarding Calibers Rifles & availblty of rifles in Pak market..First of all ,All beginners shooters must knw the safty & Gun handling.I am partcipating since 2005 in Skeet, Trap & rifle shooting.

That's very gracious of you Perazzi brother. :) We would keep requesting for tangible input from your side, basing on your experience. We believe in sharing of knowledge so that we all learn. Its nice to have you around
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Brother Perrazi, We all would be very very grateful if some insight is given to us on the availability of the rifles in .308 and the price.

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Great thread, what is a bull barrel and how is it different to others why is it not available in pakistan...
better talk about avg joe rifles here...


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Bull barrel is a thick barrel with almost uniform thickness all the way. Because of it's thickness, it doesn't get hot that quickly, hence better accuracy and ability to shoot more rounds in one go as compared to a hunting rifle barrel. It is much more heavy hence only suitable for competition / sniper rifles, which are not to be carried a long distance.

As you know there aren't many options in Pakistani market with regard to big bore rifles. Out of available rifles, most are hunting rifles which have a lighter barrel. Since there isn't a high demand of competition rifle that's why it is difficult to find a quality big bore bull barrel rifle in Pakistan though the same might be available in rimfire rifles.

Lastly, we have lot of threads discussing the general purpose average joe guns but this thread is dedicated to competition rifles which are specialised weapons.

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Rifles dont have to high price to make you a winner. I have used a $500 gun with a $300 millet scope in a 66 round match and got a score of 550 out of a 600 point match. Of course a $4000 rifle with a $2000 scope will put you in the black of the target every time you use it a match, that is if your a good shooter. MY best advice is find a good rifle that will shoot a 1/4'' inch at 100yds. Work very hard on your skills of reloading, work on your trigger pull so you dont jerk the rifle at all, smooth pulls. Your body position. Lay on your rifle the same way everytime. Learn to read the wind. Set flags on the range. You could have a $8000 rifle, if you cant master all this thing you will never get a a full point match winning.

So, I have used a Savage model 110, 300 WIN Mag, 20inch bull barrel. I was reloading a burger 190gn VLD on the lands of the rifling (which none of you should do unless you know what your doing and with help of other knowing how to do it!) with a powder charge of 68.6gn of hodgen 3841 sc, CCi magnum primer. With a factory barrel and a cheap scope, I shoot a 550points out of a 600 point match at 500 yards or 457.2 meters. Twenty minutes 22 rounds times 3. My barrel was getting so hot i couldn't see the target half way through. But still shot a great score.

My point is that you dont have to spend big money to be very competitve. hope thins helps.

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MAGS wrote:
MY best advice is find a good rifle that will shoot a 1/4'' inch at 100yds. Work very hard on your skills of reloading, work on your trigger pull so you dont jerk the rifle at all, smooth pulls. Your body position. Lay on your rifle the same way everytime. Learn to read the wind. Set flags on the range. You could have a $8000 rifle, if you cant master all this thing you will never get a a full point match winning.
MAGS, I fully agree with you. However, it's very difficult to find an ordinary rifle in Pakisan that makes a group of 1/4" at 100 yds or 0.25 MOA. We find ourself extremely lucky if we get hold of a 1 MOA rifle here. :)

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@MAGS and KBW.. we would be lucky if we could find a .308 rifle in the market without breaking the back. secondly ammo is a HUGE issue. Prices are insane absolutely insane. getting a 1/4 inch rifle is a dream only which most people have even stopped having.

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- I'm very fortunate to own a .25 rifle which occasionally manages a .15 group.

- A true pleasure to own!

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@TSS please post pics of ur rifle and the target, i want to know which ammo did u use, and all details and what was range?

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The rifle is a custom build, chambered in 6BR which is probably the most accurate 300 yard cartridge available, although these things are superseded often!

As you probably know, .25 MOA groups are not insist from a rifle of this calibre, the .15 was when everything was perfect!

The bullet was a Lapua Scenar, fired from Lapua Brass - personally hand loaded.

Range was 100 yards.

Will try and dig out some photos.


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Mags,

Nice to see your Savage is a great shooter - always wanted to take their F Class rifles off for a spin - 6.5x284...!

Great rifles, with great bolt design for seating and easy head spacing!

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6mm BR and 6mm PPC are perhaps amongst the most accurate medium range cartridges in the world. It is almost the same caliber as 243 Win but the bullet shape and cartridge sizes are different. I have seen a custom made 6 PPC rifle with a friend who is an excellent shot. It has a triangular bull barrel and makes very small size groups. These are two of the best bench rest cartridges.

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Can you guys pls share your groups with us ?


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