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 Post subject: Star Model B 1911 style 9mm> Review

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I was looking for a new firearm but did not like any available option in any price range.
i was impressed ever since a few members bought the zigana 1911 9mm.

Saw this at tactical arms asking 55k
managed to get it for 45 with only one 8 round mag.
the same thing in .30 bore is available for 80k at-least.

its made in 1944 in spain by STAR. Issued to the german army and navy in ww2.
The condition is still 80% and performs even better.
has a blued finish with fixed front and adjustable back sight

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the gun looks like a 1911 but has completely different internals
a single action trigger with very little travel.
Weight and feel is very well balanced. Absorbs the recoil very nicely.

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The proof markings

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The original grips were plastic and painted by the previous owner.
The gun needed new grips so i had 2 sets custom made out of diaar and burma teek.

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The gun can be carried cocked and locked.
When the safety is engaged in cocked position, it disconnects the trigger

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The gun feels solid and is slimmer than a 1911
Above all, i was amazed by the accuracy which in my opinion comes from the slim grip and the simple sights.

I was hitting a 6*8 plate at 80 feet every time.
Ofcource i was shooting casually which makes the accuracy quiet amazing.

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Conclusion:

A bit of history with a traditional gun in a more affordable caliber.
Not an ideal CC/defence weapon but a perfect range gun


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 Post subject: Re: Review: star 1944 made 1911 style 9mm

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Muhammad m
Very nice short review of a nice gun. You have really made some good out of nothing and I am sure it would be a great pleasure shooting a "self tuned" gun. Thanks a lot for sharing :)

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Thanks for the nice review. This is a neat looking gun.

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The same pistol is rarely available in .30 and .45
I have seen 1 piece of each. Dealers asking 80k

Just did some work on it and found out that the gun can be carried cocked and locked.
The safety engaged disconnects the trigger.

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Nice brief review and photography. Thank you for sharing.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Model B 1911 style 9mm> Review

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Good review.
These are low cost guns, but very dependable.
I have owned one before, and a friend has the same model made by Llama.

Just one TIP
If you plan to keep this gun, then start looking for a replacement spring for it now, before your recoil spring breaks.
See that slight KINK.
The spring should be straight.
These have a tendancy to break over time if they get kinked like yours is.
But it is still shootable, and will cause no problems until it breaks.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Model B 1911 style 9mm> Review

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Yes i figured ill need to replace it
Cz 75 spring will work here.

Another thing, the front sight is fixed so how do i upgrade it?
Say i replace the bavk sight, what todo with front ?

Abother thing is that im planing on putting a new 1911 style hammer, probably custom made.
Any advise on that ?


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I think you will have to leave the front sight like that (unless you want to cut a notch in the slide). And is the rear sight adjustable? Looks like a drift adjustable sight to me. Does it have adjustment screws somewhere that I can't see in the pic?

If the rear sight is not adjustable than you may look for an after market adjustable rear sight of appropriate dimensions.

Are you going to make the hammer yourself? I am sure you have proper manufacturing / heat treating facilities.

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@ Muhammad m
For the spring.
As long as it is the same length, the size of the coils inside and outside are about the same, and the Diameter of the wire used to make the spring are the same , then you should be fine.
But the Spring guide must fit inside the spring snug, and not rattle on the guide, but still be a loose enough fit to be able to compress on the spring guide rod.
You just can not use any spring that is the same length, and I dont think a CZ spring will work, but I could be wrong, it has been years since I had one of these apart.

Now, About the Hammer.
What do you want to change about it ?
I would leave it alone. you probably want to go to a rounded off combat style hammer to look cool.
But remember, this is a gun that is very hard to get replacement parts for, and are similar to the 1911 but not the same.
That is why I sold my Star years ago. Making custom parts was just not worth the effort on a Low Cost gun.
Plus, you are taking too big of chance of screwing up a part , trying to make a replacement part ,and you will end up with a gun that is totally unusable.
With this type of trigger Hammer set up, you can only Smooth out the trigger a bit, but you can never get it to work like a target trigger, even if you make a new Hammer if it is at all possible.

Now , The Sights.
You can remove the rear sight and measure the dovetail, and see if it is the same dimention as one on a 1911.
There is no retaining screw holding the rear sight in the dovetail, it is just a pressure fit that comes out to one side by using a Brass punch and hammer.
Then you can use a 1911 adjustable sight, if the dovetail slot is the same width and dovetail angle.

The front sight is Staked or Peened on, and can be removed same as a 1911.
But a new front sight blade must be Re Staked in place, or welded or Silver Soldered on from the inside of the slide.
All front sight replacement methods take special knowledge ,and special tools or you will end up with a loose front sight, or a DAMAGED and Un-Repairable slide.

Personnally, I would not put any money into upgrading this gun.
It is a Good Gun the way it is.
Save your money to buy a better gun in the future.

Just something for you to think abour before you go changing your sights.
This gun has a STRAIGHT Barrel, and the Front barrel bushing is only a guide bushing like the orginal 1911 military guns.
It is not an Accurized barrel and bushing set up, like a Colt or Kimber
Accuracy will be good, but it will never be more accurate than the sights that are on it right now.
But larger more Visable sights will make it easier to see the sights to shoot, but not any more accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Model B 1911 style 9mm> Review

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KBW wrote:
I think you will have to leave the front sight like that (unless you want to cut a notch in the slide). And is the rear sight adjustable? Looks like a drift adjustable sight to me. Does it have adjustment screws somewhere that I can't see in the pic?

If the rear sight is not adjustable than you may look for an after market adjustable rear sight of appropriate dimensions.

Are you going to make the hammer yourself? I am sure you have proper manufacturing / heat treating facilities.

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Yes is a drift type sight
Would the new types of sights fit ?
Ill measure the notch with a verniar

I have painted the front sight white for better visibility.
These sights are pretty accurate, should i change them ?

As for the hammer, i want to make a new one, something like this.

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I have a milling and a lathe machine, the workshop guys can make it.

Im looking into what material to use


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 Post subject: Re: Star Model B 1911 style 9mm> Review

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For the spring.
As long as it is the same length, the size of the coils inside and outside are about the same, and the Diameter of the wire used to make the spring are the same , then you should be fine.
But the Spring guide must fit inside the spring snug, and not rattle on the guide, but still be a loose enough fit to be able to compress on the spring guide rod.
You just can not use any spring that is the same length, and I dont think a CZ spring will work, but I could be wrong, it has been years since I had one of these apart.

Now, About the Hammer.
What do you want to change about it ?
I would leave it alone. you probably want to go to a rounded off combat style hammer to look cool.
But remember, this is a gun that is very hard to get replacement parts for, and are similar to the 1911 but not the same.
That is why I sold my Star years ago. Making custom parts was just not worth the effort on a Low Cost gun.
Plus, you are taking too big of chance of screwing up a part , trying to make a replacement part ,and you will end up with a gun that is totally unusable.
With this type of trigger Hammer set up, you can only Smooth out the trigger a bit, but you can never get it to work like a target trigger, even if you make a new Hammer if it is at all possible.

Now , The Sights.
You can remove the rear sight and measure the dovetail, and see if it is the same dimention as one on a 1911.
There is no retaining screw holding the rear sight in the dovetail, it is just a pressure fit that comes out to one side by using a Brass punch and hammer.
Then you can use a 1911 adjustable sight, if the dovetail slot is the same width and dovetail angle.

The front sight is Staked or Peened on, and can be removed same as a 1911.
But a new front sight blade must be Re Staked in place, or welded or Silver Soldered on from the inside of the slide.
All front sight replacement methods take special knowledge ,and special tools or you will end up with a loose front sight, or a DAMAGED and Un-Repairable slide.

Personnally, I would not put any money into upgrading this gun.
It is a Good Gun the way it is.
Save your money to buy a better gun in the future.

Just something for you to think abour before you go changing your sights.
This gun has a STRAIGHT Barrel, and the Front barrel bushing is only a guide bushing like the orginal 1911 military guns.
It is not an Accurized barrel and bushing set up, like a Colt or Kimber
Accuracy will be good, but it will never be more accurate than the sights that are on it right now.
But larger more Visable sights will make it easier to see the sights to shoot, but not any more accurate.


You are right about that.
Its not worth the effort.
Just wanted to modernize this handgun.

Ill give it a thought.

Btw, the gun is blued.
Some parts on the slide seems to get a bit rusty despite the bluing.
What should i do ?


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For the minor rust, just clean it good with light Oil and maybe buff the rusty spots off with steel wool with oil.
I wouldnt reblue the gun, to me it is a good enough finish, and just needs to be kept clean and well Oiled all over.

This gun would make a nice project gun to experiment on IF you do all your own work , and have extensive Knowledge and tools like I do.
But mostly you will only be putting a set of "Diamond Ear Rings on a Pig."
A lot of money will be spent, but it wont make the Pig look any better.
No matter how much time and effort you put into it, it will not be improved either in looks or performance than what it is right now.
Keep it ,Shoot It, and start saving your money for the next gun.
I would use this gun for SD/HD , it is of good enough quality.
It is just not worth TRYING to improve it that much.

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Its a good range gun
I dont carry bcz i have only one mag.

I need more mags but sells online for 40$
I can have them made here but can i increase the capacity ?
9mm 1911 mags usually hold 10 rounds ?
Im thinking of getting the mag spring from mec gar and put it in a locally made mag


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@ Muhammad m
A gun with only one magazine, is WAY BETTER than no gun at all.
Carry the darn thing.
What are the chances you will get into a long drawn out gun battle where you will have the chance to reload ?

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Haha
Well i have carried regularly for more than two years now.
Drawn 3 time one of which ended with 3 warning shots.

So you have a point there.
But i still dont like it as a CC. Prefer my np34


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I am glad to hear you have only had to draw your gun three times.
But I am sorry to hear you had to waste three bullets.

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The following handgun is for sale now.
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