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 Post subject: Range Report > 9X19 LUGER (Barnaul) shot with GIRSAN MC21

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I was at the range this weekend and got the opportunity to test Barnaul (Russian) 9mm Ammo. Details are as follows:

AMMO DETAILS:

Make: Barnaul (Russian)
Caliber: 9x19
Grains: 115gr

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ACCURACY TEST

Shooter: Shariq
Handgun: Girsan MC21
Target: Precision Shooting
Distance: 15 Meters
No of shots: 15
Deliberate shooting with both hands unsupported.
Score: 96%
Group size: 4.35 inches or 114 mm


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CONCLUSION

While conducting the test from 10M, 20M and 30M was not possible at this range (to my annoyance), nor were we able to check the ammo's accuracy using a hand rest to eliminate the chances of shooter error, but still the results speak for themselves about the accuracy of this ammo. I am personally of the opinion that this ammo is very accurate and reasonably economical and a good option for range shooters who shoot regularly.


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 Post subject: Re: Barnaul (Russian) 9x19 Accuracy Test and Brief Review

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Great effort. Keep them coming gentlemen. Such like posts which are based on a practical experience would teach us lot more than 10 articles or references on the subject.


For future ammo testing , I would suggest following;

- The ammo accuracy can only be measured by the size of group formed by minimum 5 bullets. Score is actually not very relevant. One can score 45/50 points in two different strings, however, the size of group many vary from 2.1 to 4.2 inches. So, from score point of view this is a similar performance but when you see the group size, there is an ocean of difference.

- Each test should be a group of five bullets, repeated as many times as the shooter wants.

- When testing an ammo or a handgun, the shooter must fire from the rest, with his hands supported, so that shooter's error is minimal.

- If the shooter is fatigued, tired from day's work, results would always be un-reliable. The shooter must be fresh when he carries out the test.

Now about the ammo, boy, this is a very accurate ammo I must say.

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Great effort Shariq bhai and very valuable suggestions Sir KBW.

Regarding the group size, I still have them and will post the group size in a few minutes. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Barnaul (Russian) 9x19 Accuracy Test and Brief Review

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One more suggestion. Price of the ammo must always be mentioned as sometimes, it is the deciding factor :mrgreen:

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I have edited Shariq bhai's post by mentioning the group size. Size is the distance between two furthest holes.

Regarding the price, Shariq bhai, Aquarius or Saif would be in a better position of apprise us of city-wise prices.

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 Post subject: Re: Barnaul (Russian) 9x19 Accuracy Test and Brief Review

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4.34 inches group from 15 M with 15 bullets is pretty accurate. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Barnaul (Russian) 9x19 Accuracy Test and Brief Review

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Thank You very much for the encouragement.
Unfortunately at Karsaz hand supported firing is not allowed at Pistol range.
Plz let me add that i am not a good shot to begin with and was firing without support. Its not the true accuracy potential of Barnaul ammo :)

Its price really varies from City to City. I got it for 58 each but it can be had for 55. Peshawer price is 40 each and in Lahore its available for 39 at Orient Traders.


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Great! Nice to see another economical option and still with a reasonbly fine accuracy factor above average! Thanks Shariq bro for the practical share, and as regards prices, let me confide in you a "stealth" incident, recently in LHR, where some respectables bagged these @39 fnr the 9mm class. Rs. 40-45 is standard range. Furthermore, was told recently of even cal.45 availability, yet not confirmed by myself so far. Shariq bro, how was recoil as compared to the genuine Wolf class?

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Seeing the groups, I believe this ammo is more accurate than Federal, Fiochhi, Armscor, Norinco etc and at par with S&B and POF2Z :)

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Recoil and blast is almost similar to Wolf and 1Z. Slightly lesser than 2Z and S & B 9mm.

IMHO its as good as S&B and 2Z. In Karachi its retailing for less that Both S&B and 2Z so a good option for Range use.


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Great writeup Shariq brother.. Barnaul is no doubt very good ammo as far as reliability & accuracy is concerned.. :)
I have just one querry.. is the steel casing better than the brass casing in the long run??


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Considering that Chinese Red box is retailing at 40-42/round in Karachi, this accurate ammo is a better option for range practice even in the range of Rs. 46-50 (KHI). However, if the price differential increases, than most shooters would again lean towards the Red Box for Range use. Lahoriites are lucky when it comes to Arms and Ammo prices.

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Aquarius wrote:
Great writeup Shariq brother.. Barnaul is no doubt very good ammo as far as reliability & accuracy is concerned.. :)
I have just one querry.. is the steel casing better than the brass casing in the long run??

I think this is an important issue raised by Aquarius brother. Steel casing has limitations if one is in to reloading. However, does it have any effect on extractor and ejector in the long run? How does the rate of expansion of steel and brass cartridges differ and effect the performance of the gun??

Someone like Ghazi sahib is the best person to enlighten us on the subject :)

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Of course these questions can only be answered by Ghazi Sb.


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Groups are measured from farthest shot hole center to center, or inner edge of of hole and the outer edge of the other.

In case the group is very small measure the extreme spread edge to edge and then substract the caliber from the measurment

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Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Great writeup Shariq brother.. Barnaul is no doubt very good ammo as far as reliability & accuracy is concerned.. :)
I have just one querry.. is the steel casing better than the brass casing in the long run??


I think this is an important issue raised by Aquarius brother. Steel casing has limitations if one is in to reloading. However, does it have any effect on extractor and ejector in the long run? How does the rate of expansion of steel and brass cartridges differ and effect the performance of the gun??

Someone like Ghazi sahib is the best person to enlighten us on the subject :)


They are pretty much the same but not liked by reloaders as extra power is required to resize them and some how there is a fear the steel cases may scratch the re loading dies.
The effect on extractors and ejectors is the same as almost all military ammo used in Machine guns, Submachine guns and machine pistols is copper washed steel.

Steel cases are used by the military since the first world war and and the use still continues. Look at the AK 47 ammo, the Dragunov ammo the RPK and the RPD machine guns.

The steel cases are annealed to a hardness of about 80 which is quite soft and is not hard as the proverbial steel; take a magnet and try sticking it to military cases you thought were copper and you will be in for a surprise


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Ghazi sahib, Sir your comments are requested on the below post :)
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Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Great writeup Shariq brother.. Barnaul is no doubt very good ammo as far as reliability & accuracy is concerned.. :)
I have just one querry.. is the steel casing better than the brass casing in the long run??

I think this is an important issue raised by Aquarius brother. Steel casing has limitations if one is in to reloading. However, does it have any effect on extractor and ejector in the long run? How does the rate of expansion of steel and brass cartridges differ and effect the performance of the gun??

Someone like Ghazi sahib is the best person to enlighten us on the subject :)

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Nice share and Excellent Shooting Shariq Bro! ;)

Coming over to KBW's question

Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
... How does the rate of expansion of steel and brass cartridges differ and effect the performance of the gun??

Someone like Ghazi sahib is the best person to enlighten us on the subject :)

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Ghazi wrote:
They are pretty much the same but not liked by reloaders as extra power is required to resize them and some how there is a fear the steel cases may scratch the re loading dies.
The effect on extractors and ejectors is the same as almost all military ammo used in Machine guns, Submachine guns and machine pistols is copper washed steel.

Steel cases are used by the military since the first world war and and the use still continues. Look at the AK 47 ammo, the Dragunov ammo the RPK and the RPD machine guns.

The steel cases are annealed to a hardness of about 80 which is quite soft and is not hard as the proverbial steel;

take a magnet and try sticking it to military cases you thought were copper and you will be in for a surprise


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Thanks a lot Sir Ghazi for your detailed explaination... :)


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Shariq wrote:
Plz let me add that i am not a good shot to begin with and was firing without support. Its not the true accuracy potential of Barnaul ammo :)


no doubt bernaul is a good round...but Shariq bro since when do u claim not being a good shot??? :o :?: :shock: :angry-banghead: :violence-shootself:

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Thank you Fahad brother but i have a looong way to go to qualify for the title of good shooter :)


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i like your sense of humor shariq bhai

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On a serious note, i am considering stocking up on these rounds as they are very good for range and HD / SD use. Chinese rounds are getting dearer every day.


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@KBW Sb
Any idea of its price and availability in your city ?


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Same price range in Karachi. With Chinese ammo price at around 42 now i guess 50 rs per round would be its fair value in Khi.


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