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Like handgun / rifle ranges sessions, I think there is a need a have an air gun shooting thread as well where all of us can put our airgun shooting results. With the right kind of input, I am sure this is going to a very interesting thread :)


Let me take a start here. Had a range session in the morning. In the evening, went to the backyard to zero the scope of my RWS 35. The gun was zeroed at 30 M because this is the general distance on which we shoot doves and pigeons, and even more than this. So I wanted to zero the gun a little at the top of the bull.

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It took me about 11 shots to zero the sight. The gun was first shooting top left. Adjusted but did too much and it started shooting bottom right. Finally, reached the bull area. The shots shown with a star are the adjustment / zeroing shots. The ones in the circle are 15 shots that were fired after the gun was zeroed. Distance was 30 M and I was shooting while resting my elbow on the back of a chair.

As you can see, 7 out of 15 pallets made a small group, but their were a few fliers which was my lapse of concentration. The group of 15 pallets was an un-impressive 2.3 inches.


After having zeroed the gun, my self and my 12 years old son had a small match. I was to start with a handicap of 25. Distance was 30 M and we were shooting with a scope.

I was first to shoot. Shot 97/100. There were three fliers.

Zain had to shoot 72 to win the match. He shot 77 and won the match. :cry: :)

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In the meanwhile, Wajeeh, the youngest one also joined in and insisted that he would also participate. I though RWS 35 was a little too big for a 10 years old. But he insisted so I allowed him to shoot on the same target. His shots are shown in the pic below in triangles.

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Surprisingly, he shot well and defeated both of us. He was really happy about it.

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RWS 35 is quite an accurate gun. A delight to shoot. Will have a detailed review on it later :techie-studyingbrown:

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Sir jee waiting anxiously for the review!

Excellent shooting with a great Air Rifle! Many congrats to both the young shooters, specially Wajeeh!

P.S. Loved the target and backstop arrangements! :D

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MR, review in the offing :techie-studyingbrown:

Wajeeh can't hold the gun correctly, its a little too big for him. However, he understood the lesson on trigger control and concentration well and I was surprised at his performance. Kids are great learners. The other day he fired a few shots with a PB weapon and made a 3 inch group from 30 M from kneeling position :o

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GREAT CONTRIBUTION KBW, as always.


Baray mian baray mian, chotay mian SubaanAllah!!!

Nice writeup, enjoyed reading it. Especially the part
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I though RWS 35 was a little too big for a 10 years old. But he insisted so I allowed him to shoot on the same target. His shots are shown in the pic below in triangles.
Surprisingly, he shot well and defeated both of us. He was really happy about it.

and then the picture with that smile and look of delight on his face. PRICELESS!

Sirjee, congrats on your Diana. May she give you all the pleasures you expect from her and even more. ;) I too am awaiting her detailed review.

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Congrats to the little one on defeating the grand master.

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TGF Airgunners are invited to post their shooting targets here for discussion on air rifle / pistol shooting techniques.

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No more shooting results :roll: Guys, we don't have to go to the range for airgun shooting. Mind you, air gun shooting is the best method to learn rifle and pistol shooting basics (offcourse an airgun without a scope, ie, iron sights). Let me see, I will post a few today. :)

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I'll be taking out mine on Sunday :)

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Removed the scope of my RWS 35 and re-installed the iron sight. This has been done to improve the rifle shooting skills of the kids. Learning to shoot air rifle must be done on iron sights. It took a while to zero the gun with iron sights but then it started shooting ok. I did not shoot well today. :cry:

I also realised that mere scoring from the target is not enough and I must award marks to the groups also that I make during each string. The reason for that was that if a shooter hits two pallets, one at the top most point in 9 ring and one at the bottom of 9 rings and remaining five pallets somewhere in between, all in 9 ring, he would score 45/50 and the group would be 4 inches. Another shooter again hits all five pallets in the 9 ring, but close to the 10 ring, he would also score 45/50 but his group would be say 2.2 inches. Definitely, the second shooter has shot much better but he gets same number of points. Therefore, just to add some more interest and skill to practice, I decided to calculate the final score on the basis of points scored on the target plus the points scored in grouping. For that, I devised following point table for the size of group.


For making the shooting more interesting, I therefore devised the following method which I will follow from here onward;
- Points scored on the target during each string.
- Grouping score during each string (calculate as given below)

Group Size Scoring (from 15 Meters)

- 0.5 inches................50 pts
- 0.6-1.0 inches.............46 pts
- 1.1-1.5 inches.............43 pts
- 1.6-2.0 inches.............40 pts
- 2.1-2.5 inches.............37 pts
- 2.6-3.0 inches.............34 pts
- 3.1-3.5 inches.............31 pts
- 3.6-4.0 inches.............28 pts
- 4.1-4.5 inches.............25 pts
- 4.6-5.0 inches.............22 pts
- Over 5.1 inches...........Zero Points

Group Size Scoring (from 20 Meters)

- 0.5 inches...................50 pts
- 0.6-1.0 inches.............47 pts
- 1.1-1.5 inches.............45 pts
- 1.6-2.0 inches.............43 pts
- 2.1-2.5 inches.............41 pts
- 2.6-3.0 inches.............39 pts
- 3.1-3.5 inches.............37 pts
- 3.6-4.0 inches.............35 pts
- 4.1-4.5 inches.............33 pts
- 4.6-5.0 inches.............31 pts
- 5.1-5.5 inches.............29 pts
- 5.6-6.0 inches.............27 pts
- Over 6 inches..............Zero points


Group Size Scoring (from 25 Meters)

- 0.5 inches...................50 pts
- 0.6-1.0 inches.............48 pts
- 1.1-1.5 inches.............47 pts
- 1.6-2.0 inches.............45 pts
- 2.1-2.5 inches.............43 pts
- 2.6-3.0 inches.............41 pts
- 3.1-3.5 inches.............38 pts
- 3.6-4.0 inches.............36 pts
- 4.1-4.5 inches.............34 pts
- 4.6-5.0 inches.............32 pts
- 5.1-5.5 inches.............30 pts
- 5.6-6.0 inches.............28 pts
- 6.1-5.5 inches.............30 pts
- 6.5-7.0 inches.............30 pts
- Over 7 inches..............Zero points


Shooter......................KBW
Air Rifle......................RWS 35
Sights........................Iron sights
Pallets........................Gamo Target
Distance.....................15 M
Stance.......................From the bench, shooting with right hand
Target.......................25 M Pistol Precision Shooting
Score / Gp
- String 1...............50/50, 1.6 inches, (40/50), Total 90/100
- String 2...............49/50, 1.1 inches, (43/50), Total 92/100

99/100, Average group 1.4 inches (83/100), Total 182/200 (91.5%)

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Shots in the box are zeroing shots. Did comparatively well in string 2. In string 1, one flier (5 o'clock) spoiled the group. Was expecting to shoot better from 15 M.



tried the second target from 20 M. :)

Shooter......................KBW
Air Rifle......................RWS 35
Sights........................Iron sights
Pallets........................Gamo Target
Distance.....................20 M
Stance.......................From the bench, shooting with right hand
Target.......................25 M Pistol Precision Shooting
Score / Gp
- String 1...............50/50, 2.4 inches, (41/50), Total 91/100
- String 2...............44/50, 5.2 inches, (29/50), Total 73/100
- String 3...............49/50, 1.7 inches, (43/50), Total 92/100
- String 4...............48/50, 2.8 inches, (39/50), Total 87/100

191/200, Average group 3.02 inches (152/200), Total 343/400 (85.75%)

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Shot miserably in the second string. Third string was good. First and 4th string were ok. The shots shone with a star are zeroing shots from 20 M. Today I realised that I have gone rusty with an air rifle. Need to practice more. Rifle is shooting ok, nothing spectacular, however.


PS: Just noticed that total score come out to be 191/200 :roll:

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First and fourth string were good. However, not as good as we are normally used to from 'KBW'. :)

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I think 3rd string was better. However, need to practice more :)

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Oops. that's actually what I mean't ... first and third one. lols :)

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Had a short session between Asar and Maghrib in my backyard. A few days back I remove the scope of my RWS 35 because I thought it was not good for the kids and that they must learn shooting an air rifle with iron sights. The original sights were therefore reinstalled, however, since they were not used for a long time, the V on the rear sight, which is cut into a small chip, was found missing and the rear sight presented a large opening through which complete front sight was visible. Please see the pic below;

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Now as you can see, precise alignment of front sight is not possible through this kind of sight. While I will look for a gunsmith to prepare a V, not a problem, in the meanwhile I thought lets shoot the airgun like this.

Initially it was difficult as the front sight tip was not been precisely aligned and aiming was an estimate, keeping the front sight in the center of the large rear sight opening. But with practice I improved and developed an idea of aiming with some sort of precision. I think I might continue like this for a while, what do you guys say. It provides practice in more difficult conditions. :mrgreen:


Shot two targets today evening. Results are given below;

Shooter......................KBW
Air Rifle......................RWS 35
Sights........................Iron sights
Pallets........................Gamo Target
Distance.....................15 M
Stance.......................From the chair, shooting with right hand. Elbows resting on the back of the chair but no support under the hands / arms.
Target.......................25 M Pistol Precision Shooting
Score / Gp
- String 1...............41/50, 3.1 inches (31/50) Total 72/100
- String 2...............49/50, 2.0 inches (40/50) Total 89/100
- String 3...............50/50, 1.1 inches (43/50) Total 93/100
- String 4...............47/50, 3.8 inches (28/50) Total 75/100
187/200, Average group 2.5 inches (142/200), Total 329/400 (82.25%)

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Third string was perhaps the best of the day in which I shot all 5 pallets in the inner ten. Ist and 4th strings were quite miserable.



Second Practice

Shooter......................KBW
Air Rifle......................RWS 35
Sights........................Iron sights
Pallets........................Gamo Target
Distance.....................15 M
Stance.......................From the chair, shooting with right hand. Elbows resting on the back of the chair but no support under the hands / arms.
Target.......................25 M Pistol Precision Shooting
Score / Gp
- String 1...............45/50, 3.2 inches (31/50) Total 76/100
- String 2...............47/50, 1.5 inches (43/50) Total 90/100
- String 3...............47/50, 0.8 inches (46/50) Total 93/100
- String 4...............47/50, 3.2 inches (31/50) Total 78/100
186/200, Average group 2.1 inches (151/200), Total 337/400 (84.25%)

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Again 2nd and 3rd string were good. The group in third string was quite pleasing. However, 1st and 4th string were again miserable.

I observed that I consistently shot bad in 1st and 4th string and did comparatively well in 2nd and 3rd strings. What could be the reason?? Not warmed up in the first string and tired during last?? Any experienced shooter, please help.

Lastly, I enjoyed the shooting session today :)

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Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Now as you can see, precise alignment of front sight is not possible through this kind of sight. While I will look for a gunsmith to prepare a V, not a problem, in the meanwhile I thought lets shoot the airgun like this.

Initially it was difficult as the front sight tip was not been precisely aligned and aiming was an estimate, keeping the front sight in the center of the large rear sight opening. But with practice I improved and developed an idea of aiming with some sort of precision.

Shot two targets today evening. Results are given below;

Shooter......................KBW
Air Rifle......................RWS 35
Sights........................Iron sights
Pallets........................Gamo Target
Distance.....................15 M
Stance.......................From the chair, shooting with right hand. Elbows resting on the back of the chair but no support under the hands / arms.
Target.......................25 M Pistol Precision Shooting
Score / Gp
- String 1...............41/50, 3.1 inches (32/50) Total 73/100
- String 2...............49/50, 2.0 inches (41/50) Total 90/100
- String 3...............50/50, 1.1 inches (44/50) Total 94/100
- String 4...............47/50, 3.8 inches (29/50) Total 76/100
187/200, Average group 2.5 inches (146/200), Total 333/400 (83.25%)

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Third string was perhaps the best of the day in which I shot all 5 pallets in the inner ten. Ist and 4th strings were quite miserable.



Sir, if you're shooting like this (especially 3rd string) with such sights, I wonder how the results would look like after the 'V' shaped ones are installed.

:text-bravo:

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Thanks SA. First and 4th string have also been shot by me :cry: :mrgreen:

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Khalid Bin Waleed wrote:
Thanks SA. First and 4th string have also been shot by me :cry: :mrgreen:


Jee jee janab. Woh bhi achay hain. 8-)

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:text-bravo: Must have took a lot of concentration shooting from broken sights


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Thanks Shariq bhai. Its not really a broken sight, actually a part is missing (albeit a very important one). The original fell down somewhere. I got a new one made but that was probably not fixed properly and fell down in the lawn. Despite our efforts, we could not findout the small thing so decided to practice without it. :)

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Changed the trigger spring on my Air Gun, The Sargodha made Rainbow Model 35, and boy was I relieved. Now I can practice more, without having to battle with the trigger!

What the difference you ask? Well, now my 3 year old daughter can also operate it (the trigger, not the rifle! duh!)

Anyways this is the first shoot after the trigger job!

Firer ... MR
Air Rifle ... Rainbow Model 35
Sights ... Iron Sights
Distance ... 20m
Pellets ... Irani (Pointed ones)
Position ... Sitting on Camp Stool, Left Elbow resting on Left Knee
Target ... Bulls Eye, 2" Ring Inner Dia, rest 1" Radius apart

Score:
String 1 ... 48/50 (1.8" Group)
String 2 ... 48/50 (3.2" Group)
String 3 ... 46/50 (1.6" Group)

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I have run out of my supply of paper targets, and my printer has also gone nuts!
Will post more when I get some targets, soon!

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MR bro from where did you get the spring. Is its replacement an easy job or requires a degree of skill level ?


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I must say this local airgun is very accurate. Many imported guns would not shoot such tight groups from 20 M. Very good shooting MR :)

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Sir I had one lying around in the house! ;)

Replacement is an easy 1 2 3 job, no sweat!

Will give a bit of detail in the upcoming review of the same airgun!

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KBW sir, I would really love to have better sights for this Air Gun!

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Mangloo Ramzani wrote:
KBW sir, I would really love to have better sights for this Air Gun!

Looks for some branded old air rifle lying useless with some gunsmith and get its sights. Second is to get them from Dubai / USAl. Give me a few days, I will try to find one for you :)

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Sir, that'll be great! :dance:

BTW also asked SA to work on the first option that you've given. Lets see what he comes up with!! :D

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