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 Post subject: Section 144 - Carrying a weapon / transporting a weapon

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Assalam-o-Alaikum , if the section 144 is imposed arent we allowed to carry a Gun ? ive heard that we can carry in car but can expose and get it touched to Body, if on the way some snap checking is going on how to deal with it?

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Good question and the topic is discussed on the forum already.

Answers to your questions are as:

Section 144 if imposed to carry a weapon restricts the gun owner to carry the weapon with them. There is a difference between carrying and transporting weapon which can be classified as:
A-Transporting The gun is in unloaded position, magazines should be without ammunition (preferably in the box) and ammunition if accompanying shall be placed away from the box in the vehicle.
B-Carrying Carrying by definition means moving with the gun sticked to body (with or without holster) or placed in the car with loaded magazine in chambered or non chambered condition.

What if section 144 is imposed?
If section 144 is imposed no one is allowed to carry the gun as explained in point B with exception of point A if there is a need.

144 Carry Permit is normally issued by Home department for a period of three months which gives permission to carry the weapon in concealed manner with certain restrictions mentioned on the permit if 144 is imposed.

There are periods where Carry permits stands null and void but once the restriction is lifted same carry permit if valid will have same legal value example During Ashura or 12 Rabi ul Awal etc. Authorities do announce the period if such ban is imposed.

Hope these explanations satisfy your questions.

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Very well explained NR.

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Thanks and yes its clear now.



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Good question and the topic is discussed on the forum already.

Answers to your questions are as:

Section 144 if imposed to carry a weapon restricts the gun owner to carry the weapon with them. There is a difference between carrying and transporting weapon which can be classified as:
A-Transporting The gun is in unloaded position, magazines should without ammunition (preferably in the box) and ammunition if accompanying shall be placed away from the box in the vehicle.
B-Carrying Carrying by definition means moving with the gun sticked to body (with or without holster) or placed in the car with loaded magazine in chambered or non chambered condition.

What if section 144 is imposed?
If section 144 is imposed no one is allowed to carry the gun as explained in point B with exception of point A if there is a need.

144 Carry Permit This normally issued by Home department for a period of three months which gives permission to carry the weapon in concealed manner with certain restrictions mentioned on the permit if 144 is imposed.

There are periods where Carry permits stands null and void but once the restriction is lifted same carry permit if valid will have same legal value example During Ashura or 12 Rabi ul Awal etc. Authorities do announce the period if such ban is imposed.

Hope these explanations satisfy your questions.

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Thanks and yes its Clear Now

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Section 144 or whatever it is, only applies to law abiding citizens. Boils my blood when they impose it.

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Exactly, no point of imposing when permits are issued without any inquiries and count.

Actually it opens door for many to earn money on account of issuing permits.

Welcome to Pakistan.

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@ NR, I would never worry about the 144 or whatever it is. Better to be arrested then being gunned down due to non-possession of a firearm.

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@ NR, I would never worry about the 144 or whatever it is. Better to be arrested then being gunned down due to non-possession of a firearm.


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I agree with section 2 of your thought, with a slight difference by spending 1K/month to avoid any nuisance.

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Are 144 permits being issued currently in Karachi?


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Yes, they are being issued by HO-KHI.

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Any idea about the on going rates for the 144..? And are they issuing Permissions on Manual licenses..? (applied for computerization).... Also NR as I was asked you when we met, How can we get our Manual licenses renewed.? Because mine expired in Dec 13 but have been waiting for the computerized ones.. Don't see them coming anytime soon..

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Deathrow wrote:
Any idea about the on going rates for the 144..? And are they issuing Permissions on Manual licenses..? (applied for computerization).... Also NR as I was asked you when we met, How can we get our Manual licenses renewed.? Because mine expired in Dec 13 but have been waiting for the computerized ones.. Don't see them coming anytime soon..


Carry Permit if issued by a dealer will cost 2500-3000 and it is normally issued in 2 days time with validity of three months.

Yes, carry permits can be issued for the licenses in competrization process.

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Great.. I guess this is definitely something I need to get now... Even though I don't carry much but then why leave a chance for hassle..

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how long it takes to get a all pakistan 144 permit and any idea about the cost?


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how long it takes to get a all pakistan 144 permit and any idea about the cost?


I have no idea about it and lets wait for reply from others to throw some light for getting All Pakistan's Permit.

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how long it takes to get a all pakistan 144 permit and any idea about the cost?


Around 10 to 15k

Takes a few days. They are also useless. Section 144 is imposed by the home departments of the various provinces. Ergo they issue exemption permits that are time bound.

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Not being issued at the moment.


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Carry permits are being issued for three month by the Home Department and dealers are charging PKR 3000/-. Have given my case to a source who will charge PKR 2000/- and the biggest advantage is to pay after the job is done.

I believe its a good price.

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144 permits for All Pakistan are not being issued at the moment !

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@Usama,
Mine would be for Sind only.

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@Usama,
Mine would be for Sind only.


That is fine :)

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NR wrote:
Update:
Carry permits are being issued for three month by the Home Department and dealers are charging PKR 3000/-. Have given my case to a source who will charge PKR 2000/- and the biggest advantage is to pay after the job is done.

I believe its a good price.


NR... pls check your inbox. Tks

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