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General note, for all:
Any suggestion of un-safe weapon handling or usage, arguments or otherwise, is not welcome. Above discussion should be taken positively, and it is a good example of how minutely we must look at these matters. While we may involve ego in discussions (it is unavoidable for us being human), when it comes to safety, everything else is just secondary or tertiary, or perhaps does not even matter at all. If you still want to enjoy unsafe usage/handling, keep it off forum.

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markypoos wrote:
I don't believe horizontal shoulder holsters are permitted on New Zealand ranges, as the muzzle of the pistol would clearly be breaching our 180 degree rule.

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So is the case on most ranges in Pakistan that I know. The only type of holster allowed on the range is a belt holster which is worn on the side. Thigh holsters are also allowed in certain cases. Since none of the competitions allow a horizontal shoulder holster and it has it's safety issues as well, I have never seen anyone wearing a horizontal shoulder holster during range sessions.

What holsters LEA people wear and how do they carry out practice on LEA specific ranges is altogether a different matter and we should not confuse the rules on civilian firing ranges with those of LEAs. BTW, LEA people do wear shoulder holsters at times (specially with jackets/coats during winters) but those are the ones in which the gun is pointing towards ground, ALWAYS AND EVERYTIME. They normally prefer to wear a good belt holster when they are wearing civilian clothes and a thigh / belt holster when they are wearing uniform.

Chill it guys. Please don't make it an issue of violation of basic rights. The range rules do take them into account in most cases and allow freedom to the extent that is desirable/safe. Check rules on your local firing range and if they allow carriage of a loaded gun in horizontal shoulder holster during range sessions....... so be it.

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@Saif
I really don't wanna comment anything if you are not getting my point rather getting personal. Take care

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this is just a newbie question, what's the danger in wearing a shoulder holster that's not pointing towards the ground? Is it considered dangerous? Can someone please explain thanks.

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Dear All,
My comments were not to scarifies or overlook the basic rules of safety. I just want to be someone who enjoys shoot while keeping safety at my mind as I am a keen learner and will always be. As I am from start specifically talking about the ASCC range where there is no range officer right now the range but we take special permission from them to enjoy the range. We all keep the safeties at our mind and show at our acts but someone ...........................................

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Okaye now it feels we have opened the pandora's box.

Lets just forgive and forget.
A few recommendations:
1) Till we dont have a proper RANGE MASTER at the ASCC, 2 people -from the group that is comming to shoot regularly at the ASCC- be designated to lay down guidelines for basic safety at the range, which will be followed by all members.
2) This is a forum with a brotherly atmosphere lets keep it that way. No low blows, no personal attacks.
3) Lets all care about each others egos.
4) Saif and braveheart, lets not make horizontals and verticals a battle of x and 0s. 1 thing i can think of is, IF A PERSON WISHES TO PRACTICE WITH A HORIZONTAL SHOULDER HOLESTOR, LET HIM DO IT, FOR A DRILL. After that particular the pistol should be secured in either a hip holestor or a bag. The pistol should not be carried around in a horizontal holestor and for the duration of the drill the non-active shooters should move to one side to provide some room to the shooter. I dont think anyone should have any problem with such a setup.
Now everyone kiss and makeup :)

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No one answered my query :roll:

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fahad khalid wrote:
1) Till we dont have a proper RANGE MASTER at the ASCC, 2 people -from the group that is comming to shoot regularly at the ASCC- be designated to lay down guidelines for basic safety at the range, which will be followed by all members.


Bro I humbly suggest not to carry out group shooting till the time a qualified range master and proper range facilities are in place.


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No one answered my query :roll:


@SS bro

a horizontal shoulder has muzzle/barrel/slide parallel to ground, hence called horizontal. The muzzle direction in in the rear direction, towards the person standing behind. This makes the muzzle aiming at that person, hence unsafe as per fundamental and basic safety rules, also mentioned in first post of this thread. At a shooting range, you do not want the muzzle pointing in any direction other than down range.

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AT my local indoor range, only LEOs are allowed to incorporate holster draw (from any type of holster) in their routine. Even then, they must clear it with the RM before beginning.

My local outdoor range has not RM at all. Each practices as he sees fit. Sometimes this is good and safe, sometimes not. I have left when I felt unsafe with other shooters.

I do practice with holsters, but only when I have the range to myself which is common except just before moose season (all the hunters are out zeroing in).

I have a vertical holster for an N-frame S&W - which is the only shoulder holster for that big of a revolver and carrying it concealed that way requires a large over shirt or jacket.

I have a horizontal holster for my 1911. I don't carry it that way all the time. I have an IWB that I like better. But in the winter months with all the clothes, should holsters can be best. When I went shopping for one, the only options for 1911 were horizontal. I'm sure other options remain, but not all options are easy to find in interior Alaska.

It took some time to get comfortable with the idea of horizontal carry. I carry condition one and it is a series 80 so there are mechanical safeties before I touch it. When train, I keep my finger along the slide/dust cover until on target. I stick by not touching the trigger until a conscious decision has been made to shoot.

But I've thought about pocket carry and ankle holsters - and with these types of carry, the gun often lasers us and other people.

So I'm not sure where I stand in all this discussion. When I pocket carry, I carry back pocket to avoid lasering like one would in the front pocket when sitting across from someone. I carry my 1911 in IWB far more than shoulder holster.

But then I try not to practice drawing from a horizontal unless I'm alone at the range since folks would feel unsafe and it doesn't have posted rules or a RM.

I think this is a pretty interesting discussion though. It helps me consider how I carry and practice.

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Thanks Saif ;-)

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@William, you do take safety precautions alright from what I see. The vacant ranges without designated RMs are the most tricky, and one needs to be in a good mature crowd of shooters.

@six_shooter, you are welcome.

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Boy that's a fact...

Occasionally we see people there that I wouldn't trust with a squirt gun. I don't ever want to be one of those and try my best to be safe.

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http://homestudy.ihea.com/firearmsafety/finalquiz.htm

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Firearm Safety Quiz Score

rizshu
10/6/2011
1:33 a.m.
You Scored 8 out of 10

Question 1. First rule of safety - Correct

Question 2. Know your target - Incorrect. Hint

Question 3. Accepting firearms - Incorrect. Hint

Question 4. PROVE a firearm - Correct

Question 5. PROVE first step - Correct

Question 6. Ammo size - Correct

Question 7. Safeties - Correct

Question 8. Cleaning first step - Correct

Question 9. Fixing a pump action - Correct

Question 10. Storing firearms - Correct

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Very good share Furrukh bro.

Firearm Safety Quiz Score

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10/6/2011
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You Scored 10 out of 10

Question 1. First rule of safety - Correct

Question 2. Know your target - Correct

Question 3. Accepting firearms - Correct

Question 4. PROVE a firearm - Correct

Question 5. PROVE first step - Correct

Question 6. Ammo size - Correct

Question 7. Safeties - Correct

Question 8. Cleaning first step - Correct

Question 9. Fixing a pump action - Correct

Question 10. Storing firearms - Correct

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9 out of 10
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I was asked to do this one for another forum, who never used it.

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Why they did not use it. Pics and depiction is professional quality. I think you should label it " Basic safety rules for Dummies "


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very clear illustrative explanation of the four basic rules. thanks for sharing armoredman.

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Firearm Safety Quiz Score

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You Scored 10 out of 10

Question 1. First rule of safety - Correct

Question 2. Know your target - Correct

Question 3. Accepting firearms - Correct

Question 4. PROVE a firearm - Correct

Question 5. PROVE first step - Correct

Question 6. Ammo size - Correct

Question 7. Safeties - Correct

Question 8. Cleaning first step - Correct

Question 9. Fixing a pump action - Correct

Question 10. Storing firearms - Correct

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armoredman, you have the knack for presenting the things in most appropriate manner. Thanks for sharing. :)

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Loved them rules armoredman, Am taking a print of them and keeping it with me ;-) Thanks a bundle

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Another Rule
Keep the fire pointed downrange for 30 seconds in case of a misfire.
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