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Recently had a very scary experience with my PT99 which literally shook me. I was on my farms & decided to do a little target practice. The very first shot that i fired failed to go off properly. Instead of the sound of a proper fire a small cracker like sound came & along with it i felt stinging sensation on my face & right eye. I was quite confused, "what the hell happened". Slide had also failed to move backward & the round also didn't ejected. So i disassembled the gun. Found the fired round inside & it came out easily but the projectile was stuck inside the barrel. Tried to push it out with a rod but it wouldn't move. Didn't forced it as i was not clear as what had happened, why & how to handle it. It was Russian Barnaul round & had never faced any problem with this ammo.

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Need help from seniors. What the hell happened, why & what to do now? Bullet is still stuck inside the barrel.


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Thanks to Almighty you are safe.
What could have caused the stinging sensation ? I don't think slide moved back to open chamber!!!


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raptor69 wrote:
what to do now? Bullet is still stuck inside the barrel.

take a wooden pencil and a hammer and try to extract it in chamber direction...
the barrel from the front of a gun is a little bit narrower than bullet...

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@ raptor69

Firstly you should pray that you are safe.

Secondly, Russian Bernaul is also know as Tula ammunition. Seniours pls correct me if I am wrong. There are a number of reports of malfunction of various reliable and durable firearms by this bullet so use this bullet with caution as there are other bullets available in market of nearly same price which are reliable.

P.S Dont blame the gun, but the ammunition and be careful in future.

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Thankd God you are safe. Please wear protective eye gear next time. It must be the ammo.

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Thanks HMR, Gymmy, six_shooter...
I have every intention of being more careful in future but for that i need to first find out what went wrong here.
The only possible explanation that can come to my mind is that somehow propellant failed to explode properly causing that cracker like popping sound & bullet jamming in the barrel. Seniors correct me if iam wrong.


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swissman wrote:
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what to do now? Bullet is still stuck inside the barrel.

take a wooden pencil and a hammer and try to extract it in chamber direction...
the barrel from the front of a gun is a little bit narrower than bullet...

i have tried that swissman but it isn't working. any other suggestion?


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It happened to me in a PB rifle. Round was a squib and most probably propellant was faulty. It was a local round. Stuck bullet tapped out easily from chamber side.
I still don't understand what caused the stinging sensation.


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I still don't understand what caused the stinging sensation.[/quote]
That's a mystery to me also


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There can be a number of reasons.

The bullet got stuck in the barrel in the first first shot. When was the barrel last cleaned and how?

The low-intensity sound and slide failing to move backward suggests, as HMR pointed out, faulty propellant.

From the muzzle end, spray WD-40 in the barrel, insert a steel rod wrapped in cloth and gently tap the bullet out the chamber end.

I've used more than 500 Barnaul rounds in my PT 92 and never experienced such issue with it. So, I am skeptical about ammunition issue. Another friend has used over 1,000 rounds of this brand ammo in his CZ 75, Berretta 92 and Zigana.. no ammo issues experienced.

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raptor69 wrote:
swissman wrote:
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what to do now? Bullet is still stuck inside the barrel.

take a wooden pencil and a hammer and try to extract it in chamber direction...
the barrel from the front of a gun is a little bit narrower than bullet...

i have tried that swissman but it isn't working. any other suggestion?


Bro first spray lot of WD 40 or put lot of oil and try it again from the
chamber side


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There can be a number of reasons.

The bullet got stuck in the barrel in the first first shot. When was the barrel last cleaned and how?

The low-intensity sound and slide failing to move backward suggests, as HMR pointed out, faulty propellant.

From the muzzle end, spray WD-40 in the barrel, insert a steel rod wrapped in cloth and gently tap the bullet out the chamber end.
I've used more than 500 Barnaul rounds in my PT 92 and never experienced such issue with it. So, I am skeptical about ammunition issue. Another friend has used over 1,000 rounds of this brand ammo in his CZ 75, Berretta 92 and Zigana.. no ammo issues experienced.

It was cleaned about a month ago. What i usually do is spray burnox on the inside of the barrel & than leave it for couple of minutes. After wards i use copper brush and than run patches through until its completely cleaned. In the end i use an oil soaked patch to lube it fully & that's it. But before firing i run a clean patch through the barrel to remove any excess oil as i did in this case also.
As for the ammo issue, this was my first box of this ammo & i was down to my last few rounds when this happened. I have been mostly using Chinese & S&B rounds & have never experienced any such issue.


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One question ... did you store the weapon loaded, with ammo in the magazine, or stored the ammo separately??

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Mangloo Ramzani wrote:
One question ... did you store the weapon loaded, with ammo in the magazine, or stored the ammo separately??

I always keep my weapons loaded, ammo in the magazine & round in the chamber.


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How many times did you load and unload this particular round?( chamber and unchamber the top round of the mag?)

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How many times did you load and unload this particular round?( chamber and unchamber the top round of the mag?)

hmmmmmmmm... let me think... couple of times may be... i am not so sure
why are you asking this?


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one thing is clear, the bullet was not pushed back deep in the case. It could happen to a particular round if chambered and unchambered repeatedly, although this is more common in .45acp.
Now, it appears most likely the oil in the barrel which ate up the gun-powder. There was not enough 'gas' left in it to propel the bullet at the desired rate. However, there was some gas, and the dead powder, which would have exited through the breach face in the (incomplete and failed) recoil cycle, which was felt by you as a stinging sensation. There are no over-pressure signs on the fired casing either, so I would go with the above explanation. Reduce the oil!

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@ Raptor: I'm glad that you are sae. IMHO this happened due to faulty ammo, not saying that RB is of bad quality, but perhaps one bad round. I would agree with GP, oint the gun in a safe direction, spray the internals of the barrel with Brunox or WD 40 and then gently start tapping it from the rea end...

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I agree with saif, reduce the oil!

Even if you had not chambered the round time and again, the oil present on the barrel can seep towards the mag, soak up the round and hence improper burning of propellant.

Do not use too much oil for lubrication, and never ever lub the mag or the firing pin area.

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Saif wrote:
one thing is clear, the bullet was not pushed back deep in the case. It could happen to a particular round if chambered and unchambered repeatedly, although this is more common in .45acp.
Now, it appears most likely the oil in the barrel which ate up the gun-powder. There was not enough 'gas' left in it to propel the bullet at the desired rate. However, there was some gas, and the dead powder, which would have exited through the breach face in the (incomplete and failed) recoil cycle, which was felt by you as a stinging sensation. There are no over-pressure signs on the fired casing either, so I would go with the above explanation. Reduce the oil!

Wowww! that was deep. I had no idea a little bit of oil could do that much, now it has to be even more little.
And to think of i was thanking my maker that the gun didn't exploded in my face. If your explanation is right than there was no danger of it exploding as there was no over-pressure. In fact it was under-pressure & that may be why there was no damage to the barrel. I had it checked by an expert gunsmith today & he told me that it is in perfect condition, internal polish & rifling is 100% as well as there is no bulging or crack either.
So, "ALL IS WELL THAT ENDS WELL". Thank you all for your feedback & well wishes.


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That's why I use white lithium grease. ;)

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it is grease that does not melt or freeze. please see http://www.wd40specialist.com/products/lithium-grease

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Hi, dear
If i am not wrong it is due to moisture. The powder inside bullet does not burns completely and can not produce the required force to push the bullet head. Keep the Bullets in a moisture free place. It is not the fault of firearm nor of Bullets.


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Your bullet didn't have a powder charge. The primer went off but isn't powerfull enough to push the bullet all the way through the barrel. What you felt on your face was the pressure from the primer. The charge not being strong enough expand the brass and seal the chamber the pressure escaped through the firing pin and back in your face.
I reload and this has happened to me in the past before i installed a powder check die on my press that confirms whether or not I have any powder, low or overload charge.
To get the bullt out I use a brass rod that I insert from the muzzle and knock it out. Use lubricant if you're afraid of damaging your barrel but it usually comes out quite easily.
Good luck and I hope it doesn't happen to you again!


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