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Great Initiative NR, Optimus, Owais and SR. Its a great option, for sure.

Optimus, SR, NR, Owais Hassan brothers:

I may be wrong but heard that PNS Karsaz shooting range is more cheaper and more conveniently located compared to Superhighway Toll plaza.
Its category A is Rs 100,000 plus 50,000 security and Rs 2500 per month and individual can have Karsaz membership on his own as compared to special deal of Rangers shooting range hassle of 5-member group. Long range shooting is also there.

Can you compare both the ranges for the benefit of TFG members i.e. pros and cons and how one can be preferred on other etc!
Thanks

Both Ranges have their own advantages and members of Karsaz can put up their comments for a conclusion. IMHO Rangers club has a lot more to offer vs. any other range in Karachi.

Dear Asif,

You can compare threee ranges i.e ASCCL 25% Karsaz 60% and rangers 90 % in term of facilities and inventory wise

1. 25m pistol shooting range with monitors
2. Air Pistol Range with monitors
3. Trap n skeet both
4. Saddle Club (nominal charges)
5. Adventure Club including rope climbing, ropelling, hand to hand combat training. (Nominal charges)
6. Tactical drills building.
7. Coutious staff.
8. Dining hall for celebrations.
9. Rental Armory (pics available in thread)
10. No tension in entry for civilians no checking or standing in queue.
11. Long distance rifle (upto 640 meters) range.
12. Two family members can enjoy the facility with principal member.

Some Fun we did today at Range.
FK shooting with M16 at a target 250m far.


Me shooting at same target 250m. Man this was awesome machine...





Owais Hassan Playing with the machine as well

I think that Karsaz offers more professional facilities than Rangers club. There are benefits to each. For more serious shooting, Karsaz gets the nod. However, rifle range and overall package of Rangers club is more attractive.

The only thing lacking in rangers club right now is the lack of serious shooters. it is just a matter of time when suddenly you will see serious competitions being held there. I would outrightly say Rangers range is far better than any place i have seen in Pak yet, there are some reasons that i would prefer not to say.

Atiq bhai
They have a very long way to go. I know why you believe what you do, and you are correct. But that is only one aspect.

Please elaborate. Do they have better staff? Or coaches? Or maybe what's lacking? Thanks

Karsaz has
1. better range officers
2. better infrastructure overall, including availability of electric power
3. very clear SOP and code of conduct all round.
4. most importantly, they prepare their own team and employees for competitions, for national and international events.. their approach towards shooting and range is based on achieving top slots.
5. needless to say, much better coaching facilities.

Nothing that cannot be done by or at Rangers club, but will need a long time to get to that point. First step would be better ROs, and a few small changes here and there in infrastructure, physical facilities, SOPs etc.

Thanks Saif. That will be hard to come by, unless told to someone at some level.

Saif bro - What will you suggest then if someone wants to have a membership mainly for the target shooting practice and competitions. Karsaz or Rangers club?

Wajeeh bro
On current standing, definitely karsaz by a long margin. But, with all the red tape in Karsaz, it is sometimes a pain to get the opportunity to shoot.. its a trade off. Karsaz wins for now, for sure.

Saif Bhai- Please allow me to disagree on the basis of points mentioned above.

I do agree to the aspect of safety and coaching but its something on which the range can be improved upon.

Majority of us are shooting as hobby and hope all feels satisfied after visiting the facility. Afterall we have visited the range once only and its too early to conclude in a negative way at this stage and hope we will help them turning gray areas into white with passage of time.

Friends i had the pleasure of visiting the rangers range on sunday and i still fail to understand what was so lacking over there. Yes they do not have a 10 or 15 mtr shooting mark but that can be worked on. Then to th best of my knowledg they have the only working rifle range for CVs. Karsaz rifle range has pretty much always been closed. So lets give it time and lets give them our feedback and lets try to keep this positive. The distance is less than ASCCL. And they have a decent functioning armoury.

EDIT
NR and FK bros,
I said above as well. Please read my views in totality. And while I respect your opinion, I have mine to go with. Which is with critique, based on ground facts, but not negative. However, it will be interesting to see how far the Ranger club administration goes. We were also very excited and hopeful with ASCCL about 3 years ago.

Wajeeh bro, as per my understanding, asked with reference to pistol shooting, hence my response based on current standings, with indication to trade-offs in each.

Saif Bhai-I think you've referred Optimus instead of yours truly.

Sir-The journey at Rangers club has just began, suggest to keep expectations low and aim high.

As far as I know the OIC, he will listen to us and will take inputs positively.

Keeping fingers crossed.

@Saif. Asccl was a CV run range, that sprung under the guidance of a CV and did come upto the mark for a while when Mr, Nawaz was there. But it was a commercial range, run on commercial basis by a commercial minded adminstration for commercial purposes and commercial guidelines. Rangers range is run by professional people, who i think would benifit (mutually) if we supported it. Rather than being critical and discouraging lets jot down the point and betterment we would like to see there and try to convey them slowly.
Infact it would be better in upcoming weeks for guests to visit with members. Growing numbers of shooters would convey the seriousness of the forum towards this sports and will push them to make the necessary changes. just my 2 cents.

From where did I come in between again....

The biggest advantage of RSSC is the deal cracked by first batch.
Here everybody was searching a low priced range membership, so this deal benifited the members as compare to karsaz in terms of ease of payment.

All the time Electricity available at karsaz, but the area developed is badly covered with HUUBS, and you cannot feel fan air at range and lighting issue. You can check the pictures and videos of competition day, no one is visible clearly while shooting just because of bac lighting.
While at rangers club, the fresh air...... Ahhhhhhh just like ASCC, and proper day light, and the electricity at air pistol range i do not care, just because i m not in to air pistol/ majority is not into air pistol.

At RSSC on rent you have a good weapon colection to shoot at long distance including Pb's

Sorry Optimus bro. Edited and corrected my previous post. Thanks NR bro.

Thanks Saif for your views. I agree with you that there is a Trade-off.

I did not like the target height which is not a major issue at all and can be worked upon. There are plus and minuses which most of the members have covered.

Considering the fact that RSC is new in town (though they are operating since long but they were reluctant to give memberships). They are in building phase we can propose them our suggestions for improvement as the issues highlighted by Saif bhai these can be addressed. Nothing is perfect in this universe except ALLAH SWT and Rasool Allah SAW and not all things are made to order always but we can take the range towards perfection.

Optimus bro
Agreed.
I think NR and SA proposed over phone that we make a list of points to discuss with RSC, after a few more visits. That seems a good idea. We may have overall better developed opinion of the issues then, and some more issues as well.