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My first DA attempt with the SIG Pro SP 2009;

7, 10 and 5 meters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0q7JpvJsBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlbvnIJYh4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxh5jTVkG-g


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Excellent shooting Lupus bro, nice share, thanks.

I was amazed to see that results were pretty much the same over all 3 distances, very tight groups, no doubts. Great shooting, bro, keep it up.

Excellent gun. Would you mind sharing how much it's priced at in Turkey, in comparison to your own guns also?


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I agree with AK47. Groups are nearly same for all distances. Great share sir.


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AK47 wrote:

Excellent gun. Would you mind sharing how much it's priced at in Turkey, in comparison to your own guns also?



A NIB SIG Sauer SP 2022 is slightly over 3500 USD in MKEK facility.

I bought this almost NIB pistol second hand and paid approximately 2200 USD for it.


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Lupus wrote:
AK47 wrote:

Excellent gun. Would you mind sharing how much it's priced at in Turkey, in comparison to your own guns also?



A NIB SIG Sauer SP 2022 is slightly over 3500 USD in MKEK facility.

I bought this almost NIB pistol second hand and paid approximately 2200 USD for it.


Thanks. That's pretty much near to the same price over here, $3500, for polymer model Sigs. Yet, it's manufacturing quality, precision machining, internal/external top notch finishing standards, and general Sig firing precision hallmarks being paid for. Excellent.


@KBW Sahib...........Thanks Sir, for the welcome around, lolz! Hope to be able to join you gents here, with some occasional and amateurish practicals as well.


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Hope to be able to join you gents here, with some occasional and amateurish practicals as well.

AK sahib, please join us ASAP :mrgreen: And we are all amateurs here. There would be some learning in each target that you post, I can assure you. :)

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KBW wrote:
AK47 wrote:
Hope to be able to join you gents here, with some occasional and amateurish practicals as well.

AK sahib, please join us ASAP :mrgreen: And we are all amateurs here. There would be some learning in each target that you post, I can assure you. :)


Thanks Sir, Inshallah, as soon as a couple of more guns are in hands, of the larger framed ones. Will take some time off then and pursue more seriously.

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We tried to limp wrist BHP, Beretta 92 FS, SIG Pro SP 2009 and a Gen3 Glock 19.
BHP, Beretta 92 FS, SIG functioned flawlessly.
Glock suffered from every kind of issues you can imagine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWs2XwofXk


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They say one pic is worth thousand words. I would add that one motion picture is worth thousand still pictures. Thanks for an excellent input Lupus brother. :)

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An excellent input. Surprised to see Glock having problems with limp wrist.


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So much for the Glock Supremacy !!!

This should be shown to all Glock owners in Pakistan, who buy it just to show off!! (at rates much higher than in other countries ! ;) )

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Shariq wrote:
An excellent input. Surprised to see Glock having problems with limp wrist.


Sir I saw 2 more videos of limp wrist test on youtube. In both videos Glock totally fail in test.

http://youtu.be/Jh9JhCyFFxA
http://youtu.be/fsewsolPyBU


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Mangloo Ramzani wrote:
So much for the Glock Supremacy !!!


Hence proved. Glock is a total failure for people who intend to fire it with limp wrists :D
Bro Lupus may I ask what purpose this test serves.


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Sirs my question was exactly what Shariq bhai asked, what is the purpose that this serves?

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In defensive emergencies, sometimes the pistol or the rifle may not be gripped or hold properly, for example when you are wounded, when you have to use your weak hand only, when you are shooting above obstacles, when you are shooting from corners, etc. Or you may have muscle weakness due to sickness or age. Or you may just be a woman.Those are some examples when a semiautomatic pistol may be limp wristed. This test is an ampiric stimulation of such kind of emegencies or circumstances.

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This mean the GLOCk is for muscular person :think: . Not proven for defensive emergencies. Why we spend more than Rs. 300,000/= for this machine :evil: :violence-pistoldouble: :angry-banghead:


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Why we spend more than Rs. 300,000/= for this machine :evil: :violence-pistoldouble: :angry-banghead:

For the brand name......

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Shooting when wounded with weak muscles is a logical situation.
What is the difference in the Glock design from others which causes it to malfunction in this test ?


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@lups
Sir will canting ur wrist 30 degree take care of this limp wrist.with 30 degree cant wrist joint is much more stable.


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Shariq wrote:
What is the difference in the Glock design from others which causes it to malfunction in this test ?


Slide to frame weight ratio.
Grip angle.
Bore axis height.
Recoil spring tension.
Barrel linkages.

All these factors alter the distribution of the moment and forces generated by the chamber pressures and recoil to the slide and the frame...Lighter the frame, wider the grip angle, lower the bore axis, higher the recoil spring tension, less linkages with the barrel to frame, one or two or combination of all those factors increase the risk of limp wristing IMHO...

A 1911 with a wider grip angle and lower bore axis may be less prone to limp wristing due to better balanced slide to frame ratio and more stable and controlled barrel link to the frame...A Beretta 92 with a higher slide to frame weight ratio may be less prone to limp wristing due to its barrel locking mechanism and its linkages with the frame...Let me state that all these thoughts are just personal considerations and not mechanical facts with scientific proofs...

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Thanks sir for the detailed answer.


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A friend's daily carry 2001 BHP Practical with LPA adjustable sights.
Indoors range, two hands slow fire, 10 rounds from 15 ms.





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The shots drifted to the left because of the heavy and stiff trigger and wider Pachmayr grips.
With wider grips my trigger finger always touches the right side of the trigger and frame, so drifting my shots to the left...


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Good group with a not so familiar gun!!


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Very nice shooting with the Browning Hi-Power.

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What a group and what a beautiful looking BHP. Thanks for sharing Lupus brother.

No wonder BHP has the honour of being the official side arm of a large number of armies (probably 43), more than any other pistol in the world.

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