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@KBW sb, I have been telling you what you need to do with the 2nd Shadow!
:) Would like to spend that time in improving a rifle or a shotgun instead. Have somehow lost interest in handguns, off late :roll:

Might like to design new Walnut grips for TS, Shadow, GSP Expert and Walther LP400 though. The last one may be the first project and I am sure Haider would love it. :-P

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Sir this is very very good shooting with single hand. :text-bravo:

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@KBW sb, I have been telling you what you need to do with the 2nd Shadow!
Would like to spend that time in improving a rifle or a shotgun instead. Have somehow lost interest in handguns, off late

Might like to design new Walnut grips for TS, Shadow, GSP Expert and Walther LP400 though. The last one may be the first project and I am sure Haider would love it.


Oh I am sure Haider will love it. By the way, I would also love the TS and Shadow grips!!

@MB bro, thank you. I also think it was very good for a 'retired' man! LOL.

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Over 10 weeks since I last did any shooting, still, shot better than expected to.


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Handgun: CZ75 TSX
Distance: 25 Mtrs
Technique: Both Hands (right), unsupported, deliberate fire, standing
Ammo: S&B 124gr, 9mm
Score: 182/200 (or 183, one shot is debatable in 9 or 10, at 4'O'clock) SEE EDIT NOTE AT END

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The score, after measurement with scale, is 184/200

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Thanks SA for posting the rifle target. Very accurate rifle, as per my limited experience with them.

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That's very good shooting with both weapons :text-bravo:

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That's very good shooting with both weapons :text-bravo:

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Great shooting from 50M Saif.
Looks like a 9.5 to me at 4 o'clock ;)
Didn't you love shooting with the CZ rifle?

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Thank you all.
@KBW sb, the pistol shooting is not comparable to yours, specially since you shot after so many months last week!
@SS, loved it. Excellent rifle, and sheer fun to shoot! And you have to ask GP the penalty he has been handed, you must ask...

@HMR, similar score with single hand perhaps..or overall smaller group with similar or better scores!

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The rifle group is 7/16" for 4 shots (0.43 inch), and 1 5/16" for all five ( 1.31").

Pistol score, after recalculation, with scale to measure the holes, is 184/200. All 20 bullets in less than 5.5".

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I have to admit Saif cant shoot straight yet Straighter be it his Suze TT or a Rifle :mrgreen:

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Thanks Usama. But I think I have some for thought for you here, and some results to speak of.



Shooter: Saif
Distance: 100yds
Ammunition: S&B 139 gr SP, 7x57
Sights: Iron Sights

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I shot two groups (3 shots each), one was 6" (two bullets in 1.5", third was a flier, not visible in picture below) marked in circles, and the second group is just a shade over 3", marked in squares. In fact, 5 of 6 shots are in 3".

Please focus on the RED marked holes and discard the target on top in above picture. POA was base of black circle in the lower target, intersection of 6 and 7 ring. The rifle is shooting about 9" higher at 100yds. Apparently, with this ammunition, the sights are zeroed for 300-325 yards.

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Not bad for 100 yards. Was rifle rested properly?


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Thank you. The rifle was rested at the muzzle end by a tripod stand, meant for a spotting scope!! elbows were supported by table. Not exactly an ideal setup, but definitely workable.

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@ Saif, was it 100 M or 100 Yards? Not bad shooting. Please scope it ASP. Thanks

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Thanks SS.
100 yards.

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I am really pleased, and surprised, at the results I achieved today. I have shot very less over the last six months. I might have benefitted from the fact that only had to drive for 15 minutes to get to the Karsaz range, compared to one hour for the ASCC range. And also, there is almost no impact of breeze or wind here. However, below are the results.

Shooter: Saif
Handgun: CZ75 TSX
Distance: 25 Mtrs
Technique: Single Hand (right), unsupported, deliberate fire, standing
Ammo: Norinco 311 Red Box, 9mm
Score: 180/200

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I also got an opportunity to try out the CZ75 B Compact. I shot 10 rounds each from 15mtrs, and 25mtrs. I think with a bit of practice with the trigger, the results could be much better.

Shooter: Saif
Handgun: CZ75B Compact
Distance: 15mtrs & 25 Mtrs, 10 shots each
Technique: Both Hands (right), unsupported, deliberate fire, standing
Ammo: Norinco 311 Red Box, 9mm
Score from 15mtrs: 95/100 (all 10 shots fired in one string, group less than 3")
Score from 25mtrs: 88/100 (first string 42/50 with 5" group, second string 46/50 with 4" group)

15mtr target with first 10 shots

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Same target, after 10 additional shots at 25mtrs.

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While the results could be improved upon with more focus and practice, I believe the 75B Compact is a winner, defintely not bad at all for a compact size weapon.

The CZ75 line up at the range today:

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TSX, 75B Omega, and the 75B Compact.

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Despite the long break its great shooting Saif :text-bravo:

Really good score and groups with single hand especially. How do you do it bro :handgestures-salute:


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Lovely. Impressive. After CZ 75 B compact, what's next?

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Good Shooting , even some gaps in your range visit dosen't effect much your shooting skills :)

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This is excellent shooting with all guns. :text-bravo:

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I believe the 75B Compact is a winner, defintely not bad at all for a compact size weapon.
We say this about every CZ that we try. Doesn't it prove that CZ manufacture the best handguns, considering the wide range of models. :roll:

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@ KBW
I wouldnt go as far as to say that CZ Makes the "Best" guns.
But they do have IMO the best Value for the Money.
But they have such an extensive line of guns, that I think it is far easier for the shooter to select a weapon that fits HIS Needs and capabilities better right out of the box.
My next " New Gun " will be a CZ.
But as Saif showed us, it is going to be hard for me to decide on which model to select.
I am leaning towards the 75 C with a Kadet Kit also.

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@All
Thank you for appreciation.
@Wajeeh bro, today I specially focused on basics, as I knew I was shooting after a longish break. And, it was a better day for shooting for me, I was getting good sight picture first up!
@KBW/LAGS
Sirs, CZ makes excellent firearms, very high, almost the best value for money, but they are not as 'finely' made as a high end gun. I have in the past expressed reservations on their manufacturing tolerances within their 'tight' design, but I will still prefer it over a SIG,HK or a Glock, as I can shoot better with a CZ.
If they launch a few true 'hand fit' models, barrel to slide at rear lugs, as well as at muzzle, and slick vacuuming slide to frame finish, a fixed sear cage, and a competition hammer with adjustable trigger (in other words, something like the SIG P210), that would be in contention fot the 'best' handgun title.

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@ Saif
I am going to try to scrape together the funds to buy my CZ from the CZ custom Shop that is very close to my house.
I can have all the things you had mentioned done to the gun right from the start.
But I would be very happy just to have a CZ right from the factory.
From what I have seen so far, the CZ is truely a very good platform to build a custom pistol on.

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